The Earth's Constant Drift

The Earth is moving very, very slowly away from the Sun. This happens for two reasons. The first is that the Sun is constantly losing mass because of the solar wind. As the mass of the Sun decreases its pull on the Earth decreases and so the Earth moves slightly further away. The second reason is to do with tidal forces. In exactly the same way that the Moon is slowly moving away from the Earth, the Earth is very slowly moving away from the Sun. In the Earth-Moon case the Moon pulls on the Earth creating tides and slowing the Earth's rotation very slightly, making the day longer. This action has a reaction - the Moon's orbit is speeded up. If something travels faster it must move outwards to remain in an orbit and so the Moon slowly drifts away from us at a rate of 3.8 centimetres per year. The same situation happens with the Sun but the Earth's influence on the Sun is much smaller than the Moon's influence on the Earth. The result is the Earth's tiny, tiny drift away from the Sun.

Now imagine if the earth were as old as some people believe it is. The earth could not survive because of how close it would to the sun. Over a time period of thousands of years this small drift has not made that big of a distance. But over billions of years the earth would have been so close it would have been incinerated.

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The Earth's Constant Drift

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Sep 24, 2010
Smashing the earth
by: Paul

I never remembered to respond to that July comment about the earth being hit by another planet.

Yes, due to a lot of evidence that is probably over most of our heads, scientists believe that some large body, almost the size of earth, hit earth with a glancing blow about 4 billion years ago.

The debris, caught in orbit, eventually accreted into the moon.

The composition of the moon in comparison to the composition of the core of the earth, the lack of water on the moon, and the lack of elements that can be boiled off at the temperatures that would have been involved are all part of the evidence scientists base this on.

Sep 24, 2010
Good News!
by: Anonymous

As the previous poster has pointed out, is insufficient to have a measurable effect on the temperature on the Earth. Even though the Sun is much heavier, its tidal force on Earth is smaller than that of the moon because it decreases exponentially with distance: "Modern estimates put the size of the tide-raising force (acceleration) due to the Sun at about 45% of that due to the Moon" says http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tidal_force#Mathematical_treatment

Add that the Earth is way more massive and thus has a higher inertia than the moon, it's not expected to move away several times slower than that rate of an inch or so a year which was demonstrated above to be neglegible.

Unfortunately. A lot of the fossil evidence suggests that the Earth was warmer several hundred million years ago, while models of the development of stars predict that the Sun should have been fainter. If the Earth did indeed move away steadily at a significant rate, that'd be the easiest way out of this "mystery".

Jul 01, 2010
Yeah but...
by: Anonymous

What about matter? Forget about life for a second. Did another planet smash the moon off of the earth how many bugazillions of years ago?

Apr 12, 2010
Earth and Moon Drift
by: Paul (webmaster)

I looked up the moon's movement since you gave measurements (accurate ones) for that.

The moon is indeed receding at 3.8 cm/year. Using paleontological evidence for tides, the rates of recessing can be determined for the past as well. 650 million years ago, the moon was receding only half as quickly(http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/moonrec.html).

I ran the math on that, and that would put the moon about 11,000 miles closer (about 4% closer) 650 million years ago, something scientists think is true. A billion years ago, the moon circled the earth in 20 days instead of 29, and the earth had an 18-hour day rather than a 24-hour one.

If you run the math, you will find that even at a 3.8 cm/year rate for the entire 4.5 billion years, the moon would only be 106,227 miles closer, which is only about 40% of the distance it is now. Not impossible at all, as many moons in the solar system orbit much closer than that.

If the earth is receding at the same rate (3.8 cm/year, which equals 106,227 miles per 4.5 billion years) then 4.5 billion years ago it would be just over 1/10 of one percent closer than it is now, since the earth is 93 *million* miles from the sun.

That's hardly enough to make a difference and certainly not enough to "incinerate" us.

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